How should I title an episode when I didn’t know what we would be talking about at the start? Turns out the best label is not what we talked about, as good as that is, but how it helped me think, and rethink.  I hope it does the same for you. 

Hey, it’s Andrew, and this is Safety on Tap.

Since you’re listening in, you must be a leader wanting to grow yourself and drastically improve health and safety along the way.  Welcome to you, you’re in the right place.  If this is your first time listening in, thanks for joining us and well done for trying something different to improve! And of course welcome back to all of you wonderful regular listeners.

My guest today is Antony Malmo. 

Antony is a self described Wellbeing Smuggler, Jargon Cutter, Systems Wrangler, and C-suite Whisperer. He’s a director at Allos Australia, an organisation that approaches workplace mental health systemically; from EAP support and Psych Health and Safety, to Leadership & Strategy. He studied ecosystem science and psychology at University, and then abandoned both those career paths to spend almost a decade working with businesses in Colombia (South America), in the late 2000s, as it emerged from the world’s long-running civil war. Ever since, he’s been trying to understand how communities build resilience, how businesses can flourish amid uncertainty, and what the future of mental health will look like.

I like the way Antony thinks, how he connects the dots between ideas, and love how generous he is and really wanted to have a deep-dive conversation with him.  Instead of keeping that to myself, I wanted you to be part of it too, so here it is, my chat with Antony Malmo:

That certainly was a wide-ranging discussion, which is exactly what I said to Antony before we hit record: let’s just think out loud together.  These podcasts always have a focus, and often have key points I plan to hit with a guest.  Other times, like today, we just started talking and let the dialogue emerge. 

We covered so much, so instead of me sharing my three takeaways, I want to know what your big takeaways were from this episode.  Can you share a thought or two with me and all the listeners? The way to do that is to go to and at the bottom of the show notes for this episode you will see you can leave a comment! I’d love to hear your key takeaways and I’m sure others will too.  If you are listening in a podcast app, you’ll see the hyperlink right there at the top of the description for this episode so click that now and leave a comment!

Thanks so much for listening.  Until next time, what’s the one thing you’ll do to take positive, effective or rewarding action, to grow yourself, and drastically improve health and safety along the way?

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You’ve probably heard me talk about learning teams, and might be wondering what’s that all about. Learning teams are an increasingly popular practical activity to help your organisation to learn better, in order to improve performance.

It’s not an investigation, its not a risk assessment, and its not a committee meeting – but a learning team approach can help to learn from the past, to anticipate the future, and to engage effectively with people all over your organisation or supply chain.

There’s not one way to do learning teams but some critical principles which will enable you to facilitate better learning whatever your situation.

I’ve created a few short videos which explain What is a learning team? If you’re interested visit

Here’s your FREE reflection worksheet from this episode.


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